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How do we handle standardizing things?

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Code golf, being about exploiting things, often brings about many questions about edge cases. Since we don't want each challenge to have to deal with all problems again and again, it makes sense to standardize some defaults for questions about various topics (including, but definitely not limited to, what's a valid answer, what are allowed I/O rules, what's a quine, a program, a language, etc).

Codidact has help topics, customizable by moderators, but we still need some way to create the standards in the first place.

Proposal

Meta gets a new tag, named "standards" (or "defaults"; if you have name suggestions, suggest them!), addable to questions by moderators.

Such meta questions discuss a single topic, with each answer being a separate suggestion. Depending on the type of question, either the best voted answer is the accepted standard (e.g. quine definition), or all answers above some certain threshold of votes (what specifically should that be?) is counted as a default (e.g. a single input or output rule, as there can be many).

Since it can be useful to post answers with the express intent of them being downvoted to signify that something is not acceptable, the answers on these questions shouldn't give reputation, if possible.

These posts could, afterwards, be linked in the help pages, tag descriptions, or wherever else applicable.

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This sounds like a great idea to me. To summarize how we can move forward on this:

For the Codidact Team

  • Create a new meta tag (defaults? name pending) that is one of the options for the required tag on meta
  • Create a new post type that applies to all posts and answers on posts with this tag that awards no rep for votes (and doesn't affect stats like sum of received votes)

For the Community

  • Once the above is done, start creating rules topics!
  • Some examples of good ones to start with (examples from SE) are I/O rules and loopholes

For moderators

  • Once these posts exist and have enough answers, summarize them into help topics for the site.
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Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

You asked for new question and answer post types that don't give rep (doable), and also that don't affect the stats on the user card (posts/votes/etc). I don't know if we can currently decouple the latter; will ask. Possible alternative: once you've resolved the rules questions and compiled the results into help topics, do you still need the original posts? Do you want the public record, or would deleting the posts at that point be ok? Just asking about options; not saying we should do it.

Quintec‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Monica Cellio‭ Hmm, I would prefer to keep the posts, not only for the public record, but also for new guidelines to be added over time if needed with new answers to the post. (Also, I think affecting posts on the user card is ok, since it would be a contribution to the community, but vote count should not as stated in the original post)

Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Thanks. Public record is important so that was my guess, but just in case the answer was "eh, don't really care after we've assembled the help", I figured I should ask. I'll talk with the team and see what we can do. (The user card is customizable, by the way, so a brute-force approach is to not show that stat -- but it's global to the community, so not ideal.)

Lundin‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

@Monica Cellio Isn't the issue here rather that the various metas shouldn't count rep of the main site. The posts proposed here would sit on meta. Other than that, I don't have any problem personally with giving a lot of rep to someone who makes the effort to draft up these rules in detail per language.

Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Lundin‭ if the community wants to generalize this to "no rep on meta" we can do that. Some communities want to reward "community maintenance" meta activity with rep, so we didn't bake in a blanket "no rep" rule. But this is something we should bring up at the start of new communities so they can decide rather than just not thinking about it, and I'll try to remember to do that going forward.

Quintec‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Lundin‭ I agree that people should be rewarded for contributing to the community, but the problem with answers to these posts, as stated in the question, is that sometimes people can post things that are made to be downvoted to show what the community does not agree with, which would negatively impact someone’s scores.

Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Quintec‭ should meta posts in general not cost rep for downvotes? Or just this new tag?

Lundin‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Monica Cellio‭ I think the most sensible implementation would be that each community can decide which categories that should use rep or not. Meta being one (perhaps set to no rep by default?), another example is sandbox categories like here on Code Golf.

Quintec‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Monica Cellio‭ Hm, not sure, I know for sure this new tag should not, but all meta posts in general - that is probably something that deserves a separate post for discussion (I would lean towards no, meta posts should continue giving rep as normal)